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Re: [TSL] Prussia>Detroit>July 1854
"Dorothy" <djsblum@cox.net> on 08/27/2010

Dear Sue, Elizabeth, and Mary,
     Thank you so very much for your interest and your responses to my query 
for the immigration record of Wilhelm GROSSE.  I, too, believe he must have 
come through Canada.  Of course, I do not know if he spent any time in 
Canada before going to Detroit.  I have the U. S. portion of ancestry.com so 
I cannot search Canada or Germany through ancestry, but I searched the 
Hamburg Lists, Direct and Indirect when I was at the Family History Library, 
in SLC.  However, as always, I could have missed his name.  I tend to think 
Wilhelm GROSSE came from Bremen or Brandenburg.  I will search carefully the 
Brig Ariel, the Brig Vanguard and the Bark Sultan.  If I understand the 
information, the columns are as follows:
Date of Arrival;   Ship;    Master or Captain;    Date of Departure; 
Place of Departure;    Number of Passengers.

Thank you again for your interest and your responses,
Dorothy

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>   1. Re: Prussia>Detroit>July 1854 (Sue Swiggum)
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> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:59:04 -0300
> From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [TSL] Prussia>Detroit>July 1854
> To: Dorothy <djsblum@cox.net>, THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com
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> Hi Dorothy,
>
> Eliz and Wolf are steering you in the right direction ... because of his
> destination and the time period, I agree that his most likely arrived at
> the seaport of Quebec [that is, vessels from the sea] and entered the US
> through the border port of Detroit.
>
> The sort of bad news is that Canada did not archive passenger lists before
> 1865 and the US did not maintain CAN-US border records before 1895 ...
> however, if you think he / they sailed from Hamburg, then those outbound
> passenger lists do survive, but they are not yet indexed (before
> 1877).  You need an Ancestry subscription to view them.  It can sometimes
> be a little tedious and sometimes a little hard to read, but rewarding if
> you find who you are searching.   The lists are arranged pretty much in
> chronological order of the date of sailing, to not only Quebec, but to New
> York, New Orleans, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney etc. etc.
>
> I can maybe help with possible vessel(s) name(s), but more importantly, 
> the
> sailing dates from Hamburg for those vessels which arrived at Quebec 
> during
> the last half of month of July 1854.
>
> http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/ships1854.html
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> There are 3 Hamburg ship arrivals
>
> July 21/22      Brig Ariel      Penkney         10
> May          Hamburg          142 pass.
> July 26         Brig Vanguard   Bedlington      31
> May          Hamburg         138 pass.
> July 27         Bark Sultan     Abbott                  12
> June         Hamburg         236 pass.
>
> It is a start anyway and you can see the variation in sailing times for
> ships which arrived pretty much in the same week.  The Hamburg lists do
> include the former place of residence, which might steer you to other 
> records.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Sue
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> At 12:32 PM 2010-08-25 -0700, Dorothy wrote:
>>Wilhelm (William) GROSSE Age 31, born 27 May 1823, born Prussia, entered
>>Port of Detroit July 1854, Settled in Hustisford, Dodge Co., WI.  I do not
>>know of any others travelling/arriving with Wilhelm.  Information is from
>>his Naturalization first papers filed Sept 1856 and final papers filed in
>>Sept. 1860, both in Hustisford, Dodge Co., WI.  He was Lutheran and was a
>>carpenter.  He married Wilhelmina LIERMANN 18 Oct 1858 in Hustisford,
>>Dodge Co., WI.   Later the family moved to Cuming Co., NE.
>>
>>Searching for immigration information, especially the name of the ship he
>>came on, and birth information.
>>
>>Dorothy
>>
>>djsblum@cox.net
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